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23 Aug 2016 14:36 #1244 by maverick
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Can never have too many Lambo's plus a bit of 12hr news.

www.speedcafe.com/2016/08/23/second-hura...set-for-2017-aus-gt/

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29 Aug 2016 12:13 #1310 by maverick
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31 Aug 2016 13:02 #1342 by velly4
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Is the Nissan easy to upgrade in spec? These are 2014 models right?
Interesting to see guys pulling out of the lower V8 classes to go GT racing. Makes sense, would have to be cheaper to source parts for some of these than custom made parts for old Supercars?

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31 Aug 2016 13:28 #1343 by Hingo
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Can't imagine they would be cheaper to run or maintain than a V8 but they have way more options for where/when they can race. They can go global, national (Aus GT) or local (Prodsports).

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31 Aug 2016 14:30 #1344 by velly4
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Considering a lot of supercar components aren't homologated and constantly being developed its not like you can go to the manufacturer and ask for a new control arm.

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31 Aug 2016 15:13 #1345 by maverick
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31 Aug 2016 16:30 #1347 by StueyB83
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Hingo wrote: Can't imagine they would be cheaper to run or maintain than a V8 but they have way more options for where/when they can race. They can go global, national (Aus GT) or local (Prodsports).


I know some teams (United Autosports) have complained about rising costs in GT3, but I think for the level of exotica the cars are now reaching, the running costs are improving.

According to Multiple sources and teams, the procurement cost is the largest cost, and the running costs from there are quite good and stable. This was always by design.

Look at the New R8 LMS. The exterior is split into multiple sections so that you only need to buy one smaller section instead of a whole bumper or fender. Additionally, the chassis is modded within regs so that there is greater use of simplified subframes which are cheaper to buy and replace than straighten out road car parts.

Most GT3 cars have engines that are detuned from the road car - and some run to lower Rev limits as part of the BOP. Due to this there is less reliance on using lightweight parts - which in turn allows for more durable materials to be used. The latest R8 LMS has an engine rebuild interval of 20000km’s. To put that in perspective this year Spa 24 was completed in about 3720km’s – you could do it 5 times. According to MPC, the engine rebuild is actually not is intensive as it sounds either.
The gearboxes require rebuilds at closer intervals. In the GT-R GT3 this is just shy of 5000km. The racing design (typically a cassette arrangement) of the chosen gearboxes should allow this to be fairly simplified (but not that cheap).

Design of newer cars has also carried over cost saving for operators. If you have noticed, the latest crop of GT3’s all have a centrally mounted radiator tucked a fair way inside the car. This was because the previous generation such as the 911 (997) GT3-R had radiators in the front corners which were very easily damaged on contact and could write off engines if not retired straight away. The Huracan GT3 looks dissimilar from the road car when not painted because the front air intake is much smaller and centralised – the Factory team actually paints on the rest of the road cars intake profile in black to correct the look.

Look at the M6 GT3’s removable front section! While the car is quite expensive can you imagine the number of hours saved in maintenance in terms of crew. Maybe not enough to justify the cost increase but loss of time and stress is seldom welcome on a race weekend..

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31 Aug 2016 17:31 - 31 Aug 2016 17:33 #1348 by StueyB83
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Most brand new COTF chassis V8SC cars with race engine are, from what I've read, around $650k to get built up and running - because its mostly bespoke racing products. It costs even more if you are Nissan and need to close down a whole production line in mexico to produce new crankshafts for your V8SC engine to the rulebook.

From the daily telegraph:
“An engine costs about 120k to put on the factory floor,’’ said a well regarded V8 engineer.

“The life of the engine is about 11,000km but they will be rebuilt after every 3,000km at a cost of about $20,000. Running an engine for it’s life costs about $100,000, but the real expense isn’t in the engine or running it. It is in the people who maintain the engine and run the program and also in the development.’’


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GT3 ballpark price conversions (with current exchange rate):

650S GT3: $640k
AMG GT3: $550k
Audi R8 LMS: $535k - and about $595k with a parts package
Bentley GT3: Rumoured at around $700k
BMW M6 GT3: $565k
Huracan GT3: $550k

Radical RXC Turbo GT3: $365k with all the fruit and VAT taxes paid.

Ferrari 488 GT3 - widely accepted as the new most expensive GT3 - Price unknown..

The thing about GT3 cars is that BOP negates any advantage spending extra money brings. Ferrari wont expect to sell many cars if they keep the price up, but at the same time - some people just WANT to race a Ferrari. It must help one get girls at the bar.. in Monte Carlo casino. B)

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31 Aug 2016 20:08 #1350 by Richo
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The good thing about the Ferrari is that it can be upgraded to a GTE car hence why Clearwater brought one.

If the Bentley is 700k then the Ferrari has to be north of that.

Its great to see the Nissans in the championship, with much lower running costs and longer/cheaper maintenance intervals then rebuilding a full house race engine I can certainly see the appeal.

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01 Sep 2016 13:49 #1361 by maverick
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01 Sep 2016 18:34 #1368 by Hingo
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Really pleased with the scrapping of the pitstop handicap. Will give the series a lot more credibility in my opinion. Balancing by drIver pairings is a logical and fair option.
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02 Sep 2016 15:58 #1376 by maverick
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02 Sep 2016 20:50 #1382 by Nath
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It was a no brainer and a good move by the organisers to ditch those rules in the endurance series.

For me I would love to see them also dropped from the sprint championship or at least modified significantly. Also I think allowance has to be made for safety cars, red flags etc which all presented various issues and bad publicity earlier this year.

The car that crosses the line first has to be the car that wins.

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11 Sep 2016 09:47 #1478 by maverick
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Dale Paterson planning on having the Camaro back in the Championship if the planets align. Would love to see it back.

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11 Sep 2016 10:02 #1479 by Richo
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maverick wrote: Dale Paterson planning on having the Camaro back in the Championship if the planets align. Would love to see it back.


That would be awesome! Hope his plans come to fruition for the good of himself and the ears of those trackside B)

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17 Sep 2016 09:59 #1549 by Hingo
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Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but this is a good article on the Callaway Corvette C7

www.dailysportscar.com/2016/09/08/the-st...corvette-c7-gt3.html

Mentions of there being plenty of Aussie interest and sounds like they have an order. It is incredible that they can't get the basic chassis from GM so they need to strip down a complete road car and convert it. Hard work for them but in a way I love that each car originates from the showroom floor.

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17 Sep 2016 10:18 #1550 by maverick
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Hingo wrote: Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but this is a good article on the Callaway Corvette C7

www.dailysportscar.com/2016/09/08/the-st...corvette-c7-gt3.html

Mentions of there being plenty of Aussie interest and sounds like they have an order. It is incredible that they can't get the basic chassis from GM so they need to strip down a complete road car and convert it. Hard work for them but in a way I love that each car originates from the showroom floor.

Sounds encouraging on the local front.

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18 Sep 2016 12:28 #1553 by Richo
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Makes you think who might have an order in for the new car? A new team or an existing Aus GT competitor?

I'm scratching my head but can't think of anyone immediately

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18 Sep 2016 15:07 #1555 by Hingo
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My guess would be the Quinns. They have a habit of importing all sorts of makes and then either selling or leasing them on. I'd imagine the Corvette would be quite expensive given how much work is involved with building each car.

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19 Sep 2016 10:20 #1556 by StueyB83
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It's well known that Trofeo have a soft spot for the Vette's - especially the Callaway products - they stuck with the z06.r for years.

It would be of no surprise if they are the interest - even if it's no longer active since acquiring the Huracan.. They could possibly acquire one all the same! Maybe its someone else out of the blue who's a big Vette fan?

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